9.04.2017

Whatever Happened to Gordon J. Glover ? ? ?

A number of years ago I was given a book for Christmas that radically changed my perspective on the the creation account in Genesis 1-2. The book was called "Beyond The Firmament: Understanding Science and the Theology of Creation." the author was Gordon J. Glover.

It was written to help Christians resolve the conflict between faith and science by informing believers about the nature of ancient cosmology and contrasting it with a modern scientific worldview.

Though both appear to address the similar topic of "origins" they differ in method - and purpose. Once you can accept this difference between the two approaches, it becomes easier to accept the conflicts between them - without rejecting either.

Creation in the Bible
Today most Evangelicals look at the creation account in Genesis to answer our questions of what happened. But Origin is not the primary concern of the creation account in the Bible. Without the secular scientific worldview as a competitor the question of Origin wasn't really that important of a question.  Belief in god(s) was practically universal in the Ancient World - so every account of where we came from would have been supernatural in nature.  The important question to ancient people, was not How everything got here, but Why? What is the purpose (or telos) of creation?

To answer this question Ancient People took the common knowledge of the day (our divine origin,) and made the necessary edits demanded by their religious traditions. When contrasted to one another, these edits - the points where the stories differ - reveal each religions unique insight into the nature of God, and our human purpose and destiny.

Many Christians today in response to secularism, look to the creation account to provide answers about to answer about How everything got here. Some people use observations of the natural world to support the details of the creation narrative in order to resolve tension created by the scientific worldview. Whether its an inch of dust on the moon, human footprints next to dinosaur tracks, or seas shells found on the top of mountains. This methodology is called Folk Science (or pseudo-science,) because such explanations are designed to reinforce a an pre-existing paradigm, not open to alternate suggestions, and makes claims that are ultimately un-testable.

The Scientific Approach to Origin
The goal of science, on the other hand, is to strive for an entirely empirical explanation of how we got here. Because its approach requires proof and verification, science does not concern itself with Why, purpose, or destiny?  These questions are beyond the realm of scientific inquiry. That is not the same thing as saying these answers do not exist - the full on embrace of materialism which goes beyond the appropriate bounds of science and makes metaphysical assumptions about the universe based on its own limited knowledge - could be called Scientism, and is itself a faith based system.

Glover's writing is brilliant and easy to read. Not only that, he was very approachable and prolific for many years. For nearly a decade Glover maintained a blog where he interacted with his readers and had developed an extensive video series for Christian educators on his Youtube channel. Then one day - I'm not sure when - it all just vanished.

Glover's video series 20 or 30 videos of about 20 minutes each, was really excellent. I watched the entire series. A couple of years ago, I started showing them to my wife, when we were discussing how to explain this stuff to our kids.

Now they are gone - without so much as an explanation.

Around 2010 Glover linked up with the BioLogos foundation, he has a couple of posts there. But even they have not heard from him in several years. He has no author page on Amazon, and no presence on social media that I have yet discovered. Man I wish I had made copies of these videos when I had the chance. You don't expect public figures to do this unless they are J.D. Salinger, or Richard Simmons. At least these men left their work behind when they left the public eye.

When a work that someone has published has shaped you in some way, and you want to share it with others, you can't help feeling a bit betrayed, and curious. That's why were interested in books like "In Search of J.D. Salinger," and podcasts like "Missing Richard Simmons."

Anyhow, there are a few copies of his book left on Amazon - all used.  I can't recommend this book highly enough.  Apparently, I am not the only person who feels like this is a great loss.  There is the open forum discussion on Gordon Glover's whereabouts on BioLogos (here).  I've also pasted the discussion below.

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For years I have encouraged Christians to watch the video series of Gordon J. Glover, one on a Christian view of science and the harmony of Ultimate Causation (theology) and Proximate Causation (science), and the other humorous series entitled The Design Detectives which examined "ID theory" using cartoon characters. Today I noticed that the Youtube links for the two series come up empty and Glover's channel appears to have disappeared. Glover does still has some articles here on the Biologos website, dated from 2010:
http://biologos.org/author/gordon-j-glover3
So does anybody at Biologos know what has happened with Glover's great video series? They were so well done and obviously reflected a lot of careful work. They deserve a place on the Biologos website and I no longer can refer inquiring people to them.
I can't remember the title of the first series but I think it consisted of 12 or 13 videos of about eleven minutes each. I'd love to see them back online again. And I do hope Mr. Glover is doing well. I'd love to thank him for his great work.
















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You know, I was wondering that myself the other day.
















Could the moderators of this forum possibly investigate whether Biology still has contact with Gordon Glover?@Christy, both of Mr. Glover's video series would be a fantastic resource for home-schoolers. I don't know how well known they are but the fact that Beaglelady recognized his name in my post tells me that I'm not the only Glover fan here.
I suppose it is possible that he removed them from Youtube because he decided to start selling them. If so, I'd like to be able to recommend them to pastors and other inquirers who ask for help with Science and the Bible topics.
















I especially enjoyed Glover's videos about intelligent design. And his book was excellent. When he wrote posts for BioLogos he would always answer any questions we had. Gregory was really nasty to him with his irrational attacks.




















I blurbed his book back in the day, and wrote a review for the NCSE1. The book has that perfect mix of humor and gravity that can help evangelicals who still have integrity.
























I'm sorry if I gave that impression. (I'm very much baffled that I somehow implied that.) I thought I was specific that his videos used to appear on Youtube and that his channel has been deleted. Biologos still has a Gordon Glover page at:
http://biologos.org/author/gordon-j-glover1
That same page lists six of his Biologos-hosted articles and mentions his Beyond the Firmament blog---but that blog no longer comes up on Google, from what I could find.
So I'm assuming that someone at Biologos had his contact information at one time. I don't expect his private contact information to be shared or posted, but perhaps someone could ask his permission to host them? Alternatively, I know of several Christian organizations who would be willing to host the videos for free access by the public.
I'm saddened to see such excellent videos no longer available.
















His book is still sold by Amazon.com. His author page is empty.




















Yes, it's very strange. I tried the internet archive and while it has a link for beyondthefirmament.com the link doesn't work. Then I used whois via NetworkSolutions to see who owns the domain name. It says the domain name is owned but doesn't display info on the owner.











empty Youtube playlist.

find him.

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